Comments for Front Row Grunt http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za Rugby ... with cauliflower ears Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:01:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on Ode to a Vaskop Stut … by BigNick http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/02/ode-to-a-vaskop-stut/#comment-554 BigNick Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:01:24 +0000 http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/02/ode-to-a-vaskop-stut/#comment-554 After reading that ode , It def reminds of Richard Band's try against NZ - where he smashed Carlos Spencer out of the way. Best Try by a Prop EVER !! After reading that ode , It def reminds of Richard Band’s try against NZ – where he smashed Carlos Spencer out of the way.
Best Try by a Prop EVER !!

]]> Comment on Take the Kings pain SARU … by Neil http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/02/take-the-kings-pain-saru-%e2%80%a6/#comment-553 Neil Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:13:31 +0000 http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/?p=623#comment-553 Interesting article - you say and I am not disagreeing with you,"the current 5 franchises have had the time and money needed to develop as sides". The same can be said of the Kings with regards to the 'B' section and Vodocom Cup. You probably are aware of the huge salaries paid to certain players at the Kings in order to build a side which would win the Vodocom Cup and CC 'B' section. To say that it has failed dismally is putting it mildly. Like me, you were probably at the 2 Boland games played in Wellington - I am sure you will agree it was not so much the margin of the well deserved Boland wins, but the manner in which a very expensive and experienced EP Kings capitulated. It is very easy for us to say so&so must go down based on the past CC results or whatever other fomula one wants to choose. However, it does not happen like that in SA. My 10c worth is that no matter what happens,this will end up in the courts,whether it is the Cheetahs,Griquas,Lions or whoever suing SARU. Why? Because it is all about money. Tank,it may also be interesting if you did a bit of research as to which committee of SARU made that decision in 2008. You may(emphasis on may) just find that they did not have the complete constitutional authority to do so - I am sure it may have happened before. Interesting article – you say and I am not disagreeing with you,”the current 5 franchises have had the time and money needed to develop as sides”. The same can be said of the Kings with regards to the ‘B’ section and Vodocom Cup. You probably are aware of the huge salaries paid to certain players at the Kings in order to build a side which would win the Vodocom Cup and CC ‘B’ section. To say that it has failed dismally is putting it mildly. Like me, you were probably at the 2 Boland games played in Wellington – I am sure you will agree it was not so much the margin of the well deserved Boland wins, but the manner in which a very expensive and experienced EP Kings capitulated.

It is very easy for us to say so&so must go down based on the past CC results or whatever other fomula one wants to choose. However, it does not happen like that in SA. My 10c worth is that no matter what happens,this will end up in the courts,whether it is the Cheetahs,Griquas,Lions or whoever suing SARU. Why? Because it is all about money.

Tank,it may also be interesting if you did a bit of research as to which committee of SARU made that decision in 2008. You may(emphasis on may) just find that they did not have the complete constitutional authority to do so – I am sure it may have happened before.

]]> Comment on Take the Kings pain SARU … by Tank http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/02/take-the-kings-pain-saru-%e2%80%a6/#comment-552 Tank Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:36:04 +0000 http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/?p=623#comment-552 Hey Green Man ... Yep, the Lions would have to go ... I did not want to carry on and on, but if the CC were to determine the SR participants, then the CC would need to be played with the Boks available, and the teams would then play SR and not franchises ... Or franchises would have to play CC ... Hey Green Man … Yep, the Lions would have to go … I did not want to carry on and on, but if the CC were to determine the SR participants, then the CC would need to be played with the Boks available, and the teams would then play SR and not franchises … Or franchises would have to play CC …

]]> Comment on Take the Kings pain SARU … by Tank http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/02/take-the-kings-pain-saru-%e2%80%a6/#comment-551 Tank Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:30:29 +0000 http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/?p=623#comment-551 I agree Biobot. Promo / Relegation won't work ... And I feel your pain as a Cheetahs fan, as they or the Lions will no doubt have to make way. Also traumatic for Grey high school. But Saru cannot carry on making this sweeping decisions without some payback I agree Biobot. Promo / Relegation won’t work … And I feel your pain as a Cheetahs fan, as they or the Lions will no doubt have to make way. Also traumatic for Grey high school. But Saru cannot carry on making this sweeping decisions without some payback

]]> Comment on Take the Kings pain SARU … by Charl http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/02/take-the-kings-pain-saru-%e2%80%a6/#comment-550 Charl Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:33:28 +0000 http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/?p=623#comment-550 @ Slider: You seem quite sure it's going to be the Lions that will fall out...... What if it's the Shark, Bulls or Stormers? @ Slider: You seem quite sure it’s going to be the Lions that will fall out…… What if it’s the Shark, Bulls or Stormers?

]]> Comment on Take the Kings pain SARU … by Slider http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/02/take-the-kings-pain-saru-%e2%80%a6/#comment-549 Slider Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:55:48 +0000 http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/?p=623#comment-549 Your other point about negotiating like an angry bear - I'm not sure you understand the difference between negotiating and bullying. The other two won't agree to something that harms them, no negotiater can hope to make turkeys vote for Christmas. It's not majority voting, any changes have to be supported by all three. News Corporation are less interested in the relatve TV viewer ratings than they are in how much Supersport, and the other broadcasters, pay them. In this game they are simple traders, buying the global rights and selling them again, often to subsidiaries where they have a minority stake. Do you know how much Supersport pay them? No. Me neither. The last big negotiation was a HUGE success for SARU, but nobody is saying this. They probably don't want it broadcast just how huge it was. They took the Currie Cup, the June tests, and future Lions tours out of the SANZAR pot and that money now goes straight from Supersport to SARU. That's worth R700 million. Roughly $100 million US dollars. More or less the same as our one third share of the SANZAR revenue for Super Rugby plus Tri Nations (Now Rugby Championship). That means SARU now earns twice as much as Australia from rugby TV rights. Why do you think Jon O'Neill gets so agitated about us, or the June tourists, sending understrength teams? They need every ticket sale they can get. There are a lot of other figures being bandied about, but be careful - the most used deception is to simply say that the new contract is worth $437 million (US), an increase of $114 million but that actually includes the SARU/Supersport R700 million. They justify this by saying it has to be included for a fair comparison to the last contract. There is also some reporting online where figures are quietly converted to Aus or NZ dollars. Ask SARU to confirm or refute these figures. I'll bet you a case of beer they won't. Your other point about negotiating like an angry bear – I’m not sure you understand the difference between negotiating and bullying.

The other two won’t agree to something that harms them, no negotiater can hope to make turkeys vote for Christmas. It’s not majority voting, any changes have to be supported by all three. News Corporation are less interested in the relatve TV viewer ratings than they are in how much Supersport, and the other broadcasters, pay them. In this game they are simple traders, buying the global rights and selling them again, often to subsidiaries where they have a minority stake. Do you know how much Supersport pay them? No. Me neither.

The last big negotiation was a HUGE success for SARU, but nobody is saying this. They probably don’t want it broadcast just how huge it was. They took the Currie Cup, the June tests, and future Lions tours out of the SANZAR pot and that money now goes straight from Supersport to SARU. That’s worth R700 million. Roughly $100 million US dollars. More or less the same as our one third share of the SANZAR revenue for Super Rugby plus Tri Nations (Now Rugby Championship). That means SARU now earns twice as much as Australia from rugby TV rights. Why do you think Jon O’Neill gets so agitated about us, or the June tourists, sending understrength teams? They need every ticket sale they can get.

There are a lot of other figures being bandied about, but be careful – the most used deception is to simply say that the new contract is worth $437 million (US), an increase of $114 million but that actually includes the SARU/Supersport R700 million. They justify this by saying it has to be included for a fair comparison to the last contract. There is also some reporting online where figures are quietly converted to Aus or NZ dollars.

Ask SARU to confirm or refute these figures. I’ll bet you a case of beer they won’t.

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